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 Intro done by: Hannah Juanta, Edwardstown Baptist Church, South Australia 

Whose on this episode? 

Justin Herman- Sandals Church

Dr. Henry Cloud, Website

Our Controlled Chaos Podcast Partner CIY, Christ in Youth.

Our Sponsors. 

Central Christian College of the Bible, Moberly Missouri (where Justin went to college)

ORANGE- The XP3 Orange Curriculum 

Be part of #ChaosNation

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Meet the HOST!

Justin Herman

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Question or Show ideas? Email Justin at JustinHerman@controlledchaos.fun

Controlled Chaos Podcast: A junior high ministry podcast for youth workers!

Thank you for tuning in.  The work youth workers do is hard work, thank you! Thank you for taking time to get a little more equipped to do Junior High or Middle School Ministry in your Youth Ministry or Student Ministry at your church.  Keep it up!

Thanks to our partners at CIY! 

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 Intro done by:Mike Branton CIY

Whose on this episode? 

Justin Herman- Sandals Church

Tyler Rees- Orange

Mark Oestreicher - Youth Cartel

Things Mentioned:

Whats Right with Youth Ministry by Mark Oestreicher 

Our Controlled Chaos Podcast Partner CIY, Christ in Youth.

Our Sponsors. 

Central Christian College of the Bible, Moberly Missouri (where Justin went to college)

ORANGE- The XP3 Orange Curriculum 

Be part of #ChaosNation

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Meet the HOST!

Justin Herman

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Question or Show ideas? Email Justin at JustinHerman@controlledchaos.fun

Controlled Chaos Podcast: A junior high ministry podcast for youth workers!

Thank you for tuning in.  The work youth workers do is hard work, thank you! Thank you for taking time to get a little more equipped to do Junior High or Middle School Ministry in your Youth Ministry or Student Ministry at your church.  Keep it up!

Thanks to our partners at CIY! 

Check out Leader Guide!  Send the podcast to your team and then use the leader guide to have discussion together. NOW with editable versions so you can add your own quesitons too!

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 Intro done by: Pastor Gemma Dunning

Show Outline:

Justin and Kurt are here to talk about church politics! They squash the negative stigma around politics and give tips on how to manuveur your church politics. They bring up knowing your church's love language and developing your organizational intelligence as a youth worker. ALSO, don't miss out on the giveaway going on! You have to listen to find out!

00:15 Michael Yoder introduces Truth Work Media

1:40 Contest, Controlled Chaos Book Giveaway

2:16 Comment on Instagram Justin or Kurt for giveaway

2:58 Justin just got back from CIY Believe tour

3:25 Check out CIY- even for a visit!
4:09 Email Justin for info about CIY

4:43 Church politics

5:35 Justin mentions rookie youth workers

5:56 “You know why they are a veteran? Because they figure out church politics.” -Kurt Johnston

6:08 Every church has politics

6:20 “Politics are going to be a part of your church’s culture and it doesn’t have to be bad.”

7:29 How to maneuver politics but not manipulate

8:09 Politics has a negative stigma attached to it

8:33 “Politics at the end of the day is the ability to gain support” -Kurt Johnston

9:42 Leadership point: skill, relationship, and character

10:50 Justin mentions how there is a political piece with parents

11:09 Kurt says there are 2 sides to politics in churches

12:07 Justin gives an example from “veteran” youth worker side

13:15 Justin gives advice to the “rookie” youth worker

14:15 “What is the love language of your church?” -Kurt Johnston

15:42 How does your church make decisions?

16:26 Justin mentions the difficult part both in small or large churches

17:00 Justin talks his experience at church

17:57 “Great youth leaders provide road maps.” -Justin Herman

18:28 Leadership can be daunting because it’s hard work

19:14 Kurt gives some shooting of popcorn advice

19:37 “We have to decide what kind of person do we want to be known for.” -Kurt Johnston

19:40 Two approaches in politics in church

21:12 Justin says you have to seek understanding in your church

22:45 “You have to develop organizational intelligence if you want to survive in your church.” -Kurt Johnston

22:54 Justin and Kurt talk about manipulation of politics

23:26 We need to have a prayerful governor on us to determine manipulation.

25:12 Justin gives advice about accountability in manipulation

27:16 ORANGE xp3

28:06 Central Christian Church of the Bible politics experience Justin had

29:37 Make your vote on Instagram for giveaway!

Whose on this episode? 

Justin Herman- Sandals Church

Things Mentioned:

Our Controlled Chaos Podcast Partner CIY, Christ in Youth.

Truth Work Media- Michael Yoder

Our Sponsors. 

Central Christian College of the Bible, Moberly Missouri (where Justin went to college)

ORANGE- The XP3 Orange Curriculum 

CCourtyard Project Ministry in the UK (courtyardproject.org.uk)-Tadz Ministry

CIY podcast partners Worth Unlimited’s Waltham Forest branch (https://worthunlimited.co.uk/waltham-forest)- Helen's Ministry

www.leytonstoneunitedfree.co.uk - Gemma's Ministry

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Justin Herman

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Question or Show ideas? Email Justin at Justin@ControlledChaosPodcast.com

Controlled Chaos Podcast: A junior high ministry podcast for youth workers!

Thank you for tuning in.  The work youth workers do is hard work, thank you! Thank you for taking time to get a little more equipped to do Junior High or Middle School Ministry in your Youth Ministry or Student Ministry at your church.  Keep it up!

Thanks to our partners at CIY! 

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 Intro done by: Pastor Gemma Dunning

Show Outline:

UK Podcast takeover with Gemma Dunning as our host. Gemma interviews Andrew Root while he is in London about living in your calling as a youth worker and checking ourselves on seeing the church in an idealistic way. He also encourages the power of story telling! Also, Gemma interviews two incredible people who work in outreach minsitries in UK. Thatch, who works outside the church walls by reaching out to youth on the streets. Along with Helen, who is a part of a mobile ministry located in communities that are less fortunate. We believe at Controlled Chaos podcast that great youth ministry does not ONLY exist in the United States. Give it a listen! It's amazing!

00:35 Gemma introduces

00:46 “Awesome youth ministry is not just confined to the United States.” -Gemma Dunning

2:11 Introducing the interviewees

3:05 Andy Root speaks at International Headquarters of Salvation Army

4:26 Top tips for youth workers on how to work in a secular society 5:18 Andrew says you just got to go for it

6:26 Check your idealism with the church

7:18 Have the confidence in your calling

7:40 “Not winning is sometimes the way God wins.” -Andrew Root 8:10 Don’t hold the church too tightly because it can be broken 8:42 Ask questions of the church at interview

9:11 What does success look like in the church

10:13 Sharing stories as an activist mindset

10:43 "Identity is constructed around events that we narrate.” -Andrew Root

11:15 How stories can bring transformation to self and others 13:19 Andrew explains what is thrilling about UK youth ministry 16:05 Gemma’s ministry she is involved in focuses on missional communities

16:33 Andrew explains what is hard to see in the church

19:21 Introducing Tadz- a youth worker in the UK 19:58 Explaining “Courtyard” project

20:55 Tadz defines “detached and on the streets” youth worker’s 23:20 Tadz talks about what is exciting about ministry work in the UK

25:05 Some challenges in the Courtyard project

27:48 Pray for Courtyard projects and the challenges they encounter

29:24 Last interviewee introduced as a hard working youth minister 30:13 Helen discusses her mobile youth ministry called "Worth Unlimited’s Waltham Forest branch"

31:18 It’s a point of contact to be where the youth is at

32:12 What excites Helen about serving in her ministry

33:10 “You journey through with the students and it is exciting to see them grow and change” -Helen

33:20 Helen talks about the diversity in the youth that she works with

34:34 Challenges in her ministry with gangs, crime, and drug addictions

35:25 “How brilliant that you get to speak hope with children that wouldn’t ordinarily connect with church.”- Gemma Dunning

38:08 Exciting how God is using UK youth ministry!

Whose on this episode? 

Justin Herman- Sandals Church

Things Mentioned:

Our Controlled Chaos Podcast Partner CIY, Christ in Youth.

CIY- Christ in Youth  

Our Sponsors. 

Central Christian College of the Bible, Moberly Missouri (where Justin went to college)

ORANGE- The XP3 Orange Curriculum 

CCourtyard Project Ministry in the UK (courtyardproject.org.uk)-Tadz Ministry

CIY podcast partners Worth Unlimited’s Waltham Forest branch (https://worthunlimited.co.uk/waltham-forest)- Helen's Ministry

www.leytonstoneunitedfree.co.uk - Gemma's Ministry

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Justin Herman

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Question or Show ideas? Email Justin at Justin@ControlledChaosPodcast.com

Controlled Chaos Podcast: A junior high ministry podcast for youth workers!

Thank you for tuning in.  The work youth workers do is hard work, thank you! Thank you for taking time to get a little more equipped to do Junior High or Middle School Ministry in your Youth Ministry or Student Ministry at your church.  Keep it up!

Thanks to our partners at CIY! 

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 Intro done by: The Honest Youth Pastor from Twitter

Show Outline:

Kurt and Justin talk about Halloween, Thanksgiving, and Christmas. They give some great programming tips and games to play during the holidays. They also share a lot of what their churches do for fun during the holidays. Listen to get some tips and tricks for the upcoming holidays!

"1:00 Holidays for junior higher’s
1:35 Kurt talks about his experience with Halloween
2:31 Sponsor CIY Believe Tour
4:16 Halloween in the church
5:19 Why Kurt isn’t a big fan of harvest festivals
6:23 Justin throws out an idea for Halloween
7:47 Marketing campaign at Justin’s church
8:52 Fun programming Halloween bits
10:49 Teach on something scary from the Bible
11:50 Justin tells a funny story about a bear
12:45 Thanksgiving time!
12:58 Fun programming Thanksgiving bits from Justin
13:50 ""Thanksgiving is a great time to teach on gratitude.” -Kurt Johnston
14:02 Kurt shares some fun games
14:40 Remind parents to start traditions for Thanksgiving
15:36 No shave November for youth workers
16:52 “Choctober"" at Kurt’s church
17:30 Politically correctness, no pilgrims and indians
18:28 Central Christian College of the Bible
19:51 What Kurt loves about CCCB, IT’S FREE!
20:34 Christmas at church
20:39 Justin discusses a fun game for leaders at Christmas
21:20 Kurt gives teaching topic ideas
22:22 “Good youth ministries have a little percentage of weird.” -Marko? Justin Herman
22:35 Justin likes tacky Christmas
23:44 Christmas decorations are not trickled in and out
24:29 Kurt talks about his church trickling decorations
25:06 Kurt talks Cheap-O-Joe Christmas decorations
26:46 Christmas video bedroom break in
27:50 Tips for Holidays from Kurt
29:10 “It is not your place to say whether costumes are sinful or not on Halloween.” -Kurt Johnston
30:39 “I like taking them around staff offices to do Christmas caroling.” - Justin Herman
31:40 “We can also Christmas carol at our church offices and it’s still ministry.” -Kurt Johnston
31:58 “There are a lot of ways to serve people and it doesn’t always have to be the traditional serious way.” -Kurt Johnston
32:10 Check out Orange curriculum for holiday themed stuff

Whose on this episode? 

Justin Herman- Sandals Church

Things Mentioned:

 CIY Believe Tour

Controlled Chaos Book Kurt Johnston

Central Christian College of the Bible CCCB.edu/chaos

Crazy Days at CCCB

Our Controlled Chaos Podcast Partner CIY, Christ in Youth.

CIY- Christ in Youth  

Our Sponsors. 

Central Christian College of the Bible, Moberly Missouri (where Justin went to college)

ORANGE- The XP3 Orange Curriculum 

Be part of #ChaosNation

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Meet the HOST!

Justin Herman

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Question or Show ideas? Email Justin at Justin@ControlledChaosPodcast.com

Controlled Chaos Podcast: A junior high ministry podcast for youth workers!

Thank you for tuning in.  The work youth workers do is hard work, thank you! Thank you for taking time to get a little more equipped to do Junior High or Middle School Ministry in your Youth Ministry or Student Ministry at your church.  Keep it up!

Thanks to our partners at CIY! 

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 Intro done by: Gerald Fadayomi, Browns Bridge Church

Leader Guide for your leader team (and this week parents).  Just send them this podcast, send them the leader guide and have discussion with them!

Show Outline:

We have Carey Nieuwhof here talking about everything parenting. Carey talks about the natural tendency for junior highers to withdraw from their parents. He gives some tips on how to be a present parent during that time and encourages parents to put the relationship with their kids before their work. Carey ends with giving practical tips on how leaders and youth workers can partner with parents. Some tremendous insight from Carey you will no want to miss!

1:18 Book Launch Emails
1:40 Justin Intro’s Carey Nieuwhof’s older audio
3:44 Carey talks about middle schoolers withdrawing
4:43 What parents freak out about
6:14 It’s a loss when kids withdraw
7:02 Secret sauce for leaders who are parents
8:04 “When your kids withdraw, don’t you withdraw as a parent.” -Carey Nieuwhof
10:04 Not too late to re engage
10:33 Encouragement for Dads
12:07 “Every parent is on a journey from control to influence.” -Carey Nieuwhof
12:30 Build relationships with kids
13:06 “If you have a healthy relationship, you still have influence over your child’s life.” -Carey Nieuwhof
13:52 What Carey did as a dad to build relationship
14:47 “If you’re winning at work and you’re losing at home, you’re losing.” -Carey Nieuwhof
15:18 Why a resume is not important to kids
16:36 “They need a father they don’t need a successful business person."" -Carey Nieuwhof
16:50 Carey talks about his son in high school
17:26 Justin explains how his kids mirror him
18:20 Children need a quantity of quality time
19:55 Cultivate marriage
20:00 Carey explains how his age has given him energy
21:02 Delayed gratification with an empty nest
23:05 How leaders can partner with parents
26:18 Carey talks about his blog careynieuwhof.com
27:38 Carey’s leadership podcast
29:00 Forward podcast on to another leader and parent!
29:25 MAILBAG Questions
29:37 How leader guide has been helpful
30:24 Controlled Chaos Book, will there be more writing?
31:14 California youth ministry is unique

Whose on this episode? 

Justin Herman- Sandals Church

Carey Nieuwhof

• Blog
• Podcast 

Things Mentioned:

XP3 Orange curriculum
Central Christian College of the Bible
CIY podcast partners
Blog- careyniewhof.com
Podcast- Carey’s Leadership podcast

Our Controlled Chaos Podcast Partner CIY, Christ in Youth.

CIY- Christ in Youth  

Our Sponsors. 

Central Christian College of the Bible, Moberly Missouri (where Justin went to college)

ORANGE- The XP3 Orange Curriculum 

Be part of #ChaosNation

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Meet the HOST!

Justin Herman

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Question or Show ideas? Email Justin at justinherman@controlledchaos.fun

Controlled Chaos Podcast: A junior high ministry podcast for youth workers!

Thank you for tuning in.  The work youth workers do is hard work, thank you! Thank you for taking time to get a little more equipped to do Junior High or Middle School Ministry in your Youth Ministry or Student Ministry at your church.  Keep it up!

Thanks to our partners at CIY! 

Find Controlled Chaos Podcast on:
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 Intro done by: Chad Daugherty, Middle School Pastor , Church at the Mall, Lakeland Campus

Download Episode Leader Guide:  This is so you can forward this podcast to your team and then talk about with questions that we write to help you win as a youth worker.

Show Outline:

Host Justin Herman and Kurt Johnston discuss all things about teaching. They talk about the importance of teaching both formally and informally, being prepared, teaching in series, and what junior higher’s are the most interested in. They also give great practical tips on teaching and how it should align with church culture. Kurt and Justin tell personal experiences and funny stories along the way. You won’t want to miss it!

0:36 Piece of encouragement from Kurt
0:50 “Remember you’re placing seeds that you may not see grow for a long time but don’t place your value and success in what you see today.” -Kurt Johnston
1:13 Controlled Chaos book COMING SOON!
2:18 Lets talk about teaching
3:01 Kurt mentions Chapter Talking about Jesus from Controlled Chaos Book
3:30 “The areas that really affect teaching is their intellectual development and spiritual development.” -Kurt Johnston
3:50 Teaching is happening always
4:06 “Everything about your ministry teaches something.” -Kurt Johnston
5:46 Go on Facebook and invite some friends for a GIVEAWAY
6:11 Best lesson Justin learned
7:55 Informal teaching is just as important as formal teaching
9:38 Be prepared but don’t over prepare.
9:56 Kurt explains the most important minute in lesson
10:08 Give them handles
10:12 “Every lesson should help them be doer’s of the word not just hearers of the word.” -Kurt Johnston
11:10 Students love stories
12:50 XP3 Orange Curriculum
15:37 Kurt explains the relation of church culture to teaching
16:27 Kurt’s preferred way to teach
18:30 Find staples to cover every year
18:40 Should there be a teaching on sex?
19:50 Informing parents for series on wisdom and John
20:46 Any volatile topic parents must be informed
21:30 Kurt gets in trouble
22:09 Justin tells hilarious story
23:35“Teaching is a way we partner with parents.” -Justin Herman
23:54 Kurt loves teaching in series
25:21 Payoff has to be greater than set up
26:34 Tips on teaching multiple services
28:08 Use objects for lessons
29:14 “Leave them wanting more.” -Kurt Johnston
29:25 Central Christian College of the Bible "

Whose on this episode? 

Justin Herman- Sandals Church

Kurt Johnston- Saddleback Church

Things Mentioned:

Controlled Chaos Book by Kurt Johnston and Justin Herman
Scott Ruben from Willow Creek

Central Christian College of the Bible, Moberly Missouri (where Justin went to college)

ORANGE- The XP3 Orange Curriculum 

Our Controlled Chaos Podcast Partner CIY, Christ in Youth.

CIY- Christ in Youth  

Our Sponsors. 

Central Christian College of the Bible, Moberly Missouri (where Justin went to college)

ORANGE- The XP3 Orange Curriculum 

Be part of #ChaosNation

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Meet the HOST!

Justin Herman

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Question or Show ideas? Email Justin at Justin@ControlledChaosPodcast.com

Controlled Chaos Podcast: A junior high ministry podcast for youth workers!

Thank you for tuning in.  The work youth workers do is hard work, thank you! Thank you for taking time to get a little more equipped to do Junior High or Middle School Ministry in your Youth Ministry or Student Ministry at your church.  Keep it up!

Thanks to our partners at CIY! 

Find Controlled Chaos Podcast on:
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 Intro done by: Todd Jones

We have Andy Stanley here discussing his passion about middle school students and tremendous advice for volunteers and youth workers. Andy expands on a career longevity in youth ministry, mistakes hes seen in youth workers, and how vital having a relationally driven ministry is. He ends with more amazing advice and unpacking the phrase "Do for one what you wish you could do for everyone.

"1:40 Huge Announcement
1:56 Join Book Launch team
3:00 Brand new resource tied to podcast
4:29 Look back at content from Andy at Catalyst
4:43 Leadership tip for leaders at North Point
4:56 “It is crisis that creates the connectivity and it’s crisis that creates the significance of your ministry.”
5:12 Book recommendations for young youth worker
6:16 How reading Next Generation Leader will impact youth workers
8:16 Why Andy is so affirming to middle school
11:00 ""It’s worth figuring out how to grow to the size to where you can have relevant and powerful middle school ministry.”
11:20 Biggest mistakes Andy has seen in youth workers
12:46 “This is not a one size fits all model but there is a place for everybody in student ministry if that’s their passion.”
13:05 Advice from Andy for a career of longevity in student ministry
13:53 “It’s a relational family dynamic not just looking for volunteers.”
14:58 “I hope that middle school leaders and high school pastors stay a long time at a church.”
15:44 What parents should expect from volunteers
16:42 What parents should expect from youth workers
16:44 “Recruit volunteers who are going to push students towards family not pull them away.”
17:50 “Our model facilitates partnering with parents and our model facilitates long term relationships.”
18:37 Advice for youth workers who have senior leaders kids in their ministry
20:46 Andy unpacks “do for one what you wish you could do for everyone.”
20:59 “I’m not going to be fair, I’m going to be engaged.”
23:24 How Andy defines mentorship and the importance of it
27:12 Giving away books! Check out Instagram!

Whose on this episode? 

Justin Herman- Sandals Church

Andy Stanley, Founding and Senior Pastor North Point Community Church

Things Mentioned

Book: Next Generation Leader by Andy Stanley

Controlled Chaos Book by Kurt Johnston

Clay Scroggins- Lead Pastor North Point Community Church

Our Controlled Chaos Podcast Partner CIY, Christ in Youth.

CIY- Christ in Youth  

Our Sponsors. 

Central Christian College of the Bible, Moberly Missouri (where Justin went to college)

ORANGE- The XP3 Orange Curriculum 

Be part of #ChaosNation

Facebook Group | Twitter | Instagram

Meet the HOST!

Justin Herman

Facebook | Twitter | Instagram | Email

Question or Show ideas? Email Justin at Justin@ControlledChaosPodcast.com

Controlled Chaos Podcast: A junior high ministry podcast for youth workers!

Thank you for tuning in.  The work youth workers do is hard work, thank you! Thank you for taking time to get a little more equipped to do Junior High or Middle School Ministry in your Youth Ministry or Student Ministry at your church.  Keep it up!

Thanks to our partners at CIY!

Find Controlled Chaos Podcast on:
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Intro done by: Vivi Diaz, SandalsChurch

Topics for this episode:  

We answer YOUR questions! Today, Kurt Johnston and host Justin Herman answer questions regarding maintaining relationships with new high schoolers, low and high priced prizes, and how to lead in an unsuccessful ministry. Kurt and Justin bring dynamic answers that can help in many contexts of junior high ministry! Give it a listen, you'll love it!

2:22 Sign-ups for Believe Tour
4:04 Intro to Q & A video
5:34 Listener asks a question about best prizes for junior higher's
6:04 Kurt discusses tips for low priced prizes for junior higher’s
8:18 Justin discusses high priced prizes for junior higher’s
8:29 ""What you catch em to is what you keep em to.” -Justin Herman
11:15 “Prizes can become a part of the culture, it doesn’t just have to be an item you buy.”
11:30 Change the word prize to reward
12:00 Justin mentions generation Z article: winners and losers
12:19 Listener asks how to stay connected with middle schoolers when they go to high school
13:10 Kurt talks about parallel tracks analogy
14:13 “The best thing to do is keep the welcome mat out but cheer on high school.” -Kurt Johnston
14:36 Justin explains the importance of making sure new high schoolers feel connected to the high school ministry
15:43 “If you’re in relationship with the high school pastor, of course they understand the value of you still having relationship with high school kids.” -Kurt Johnston
16:15 Practical tips for maintaining relationships with new high schoolers
16:39 Orange resources!
18:27 Listener asks how to set up a new guy for success in an unsuccessful ministry
19:03 Justin says to push the vision to be consistent
20:44 Kurt asks a question of clarification for the listener
21:25 “You have got to figure out a way to let your leadership and your influence and your successes leak into that new person.” -Kurt Johnston
21:50 Kurt wants to know what sank their ship
22:40 Kurt and Justin talk about higher education
24:34 Listener asks with how to deal with the rest of the church thinking junior high ministry is secondary
25:53 Kurts one minute answer to approach this topic
25:57 “The longer you’re there the more they will value junior high. So have a long view.”-Kurt Johnston
27:04 Kurt says quit fighting it.
29:12 “You create a great space for volunteers, you pour into them, and you target the right people, board members.” -Justin Herman
30:30 Conclusion
30:47 Mike from Truth Work Media "

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Whose on this episode? 

Justin Herman- Sandals Church

Kurt Johnston- Saddleback Church

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Our Controlled Chaos Podcast Partner CIY, Christ in Youth.

CIY- Christ in Youth  

Our Sponsors. 

Central Christian College of the Bible, Moberly Missouri (where Justin went to college)

ORANGE- The XP3 Orange Curriculum 

Controlled Chaos Podcast: A junior high ministry podcast for youth workers!

Thank you for tuning in.  The work youth workers do is hard work, thank you! Thank you for taking time to get a little more equipped to do Junior High or Middle School Ministry in your Youth Ministry or Student Ministry at your church.  Keep it up!

SPECIAL EPISODE: A conversation with Chris Avery, Youth Pastor from Inland Hills Church.

Thanks to Chris Avery for givng us the chance to have a window in to how he is doing, how is group is doing and how we can support him.

In this special episode:

Chris Avery, Inland Hills Church, Facebook

Justin Herman Sandals Church

Carey Nieuwhof Blog

Thanks to our partners at CIY!

Find Controlled Chaos Podcast on:
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Our Controlled Chaos Podcast Partner CIY, Christ in Youth.

CIY- Christ in Youth  

Our Sponsors. 

Central Christian College of the Bible, Moberly Missouri (where Justin went to college)

ORANGE- The XP3 Orange Curriculum 

Controlled Chaos Podcast: A junior high ministry podcast for youth workers!

Thank you for tuning in.  The work youth workers do is hard work, thank you! Thank you for taking time to get a little more equipped to do Junior High or Middle School Ministry in your Youth Ministry or Student Ministry at your church.  Keep it up!

Thanks to our partners at CIY!

Find Controlled Chaos Podcast on:
| iTunes | Podbean | Google Play | Stitcher |YOUTUBE | Spotify

Intro done by: Justin Kowalski, Sandals Church Riverside CA 

We are here with Britt Kitchen! He is bringing his insight on having a small group driven ministry. He provides insight on how to choose your leaders, how to maintain a culture of prioritizing small groups, and how to make small groups an authentic place for junior highers. He brings his own experience to the table and is passionate about junior highers. Listen if you want to WIN and learn how to make small groups important.

0:35 Intro to Britt Kitchen
6:27 Worship tips on how to coach a musician
8:03 “Work to be a partner with your worship leaders.”
9:01 Britt’s elevator speech about his experience
11:27 Stepping into someone else’s shoes
13:47 Small groups being essential to strategy and motto
17:19 Britt explains stage personalities and values
20:14 Risks in being a small group ministry
22:48 Have to be careful when you choose small group leaders
23:52 Creates a space for training small group leaders
25:42 ""The right leader is better than having more leaders.”
26:03 What leader to say no to
27:04 Holy spirit plays into picking a leader
28:05 “Students are looking for genuine” -Britt Kitchen
28:12 “We are trying to make our small groups authentic genuine places.” -Britt Kitchen
29:47 Tips for small group driven culture
33:04 Wrapping up with Britt Kitchen
33:26 The Mail Bag
33:35 Justin talks about Sandal’s church
34:38 Justin’s Moms passing impacted his ministry
36:18 How to do a sex series at your church
38:20 Justin explains how he doesn’t regret leaving his last church
42:00 Leadership 101 with Kurt Johnston
42:56 Truth Work Media

Whose on this episode? 

Justin Herman Sandals Church

Britt Kitchen

Tyler Rees

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Controlled Chaos Podcast: A junior high ministry podcast for youth workers!

Thank you for tuning in.  The work youth workers do is hard work, thank you! Thank you for taking time to get a little more equipped to do Junior High or Middle School Ministry in your Youth Ministry or Student Ministry at your church.  Keep it up!

Thanks to our partners at CIY!

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Intro done by: Erik Williams

Topics for this episode:   

Gerald Fadayomi is here to discuss how middle school ministry is so vital for the high school ministry that he is a part of. He gives tips on leadership and the importance of seeking God first. He also reveals the vitality of relationship between middle school pastors and high school pastors. His high school pastoral perspective gives us insight into the importance of junior high ministry to set them up for success. Check out his book "Before You Go" where he asks amazing questions to foster discussions for senior high schoolers transitioning.

"0:54 Thank you sponsors!
1:57 CIY booth at Youth Specialities
2:30 “One of the differences between power and influence is, the powerful will punish those that wrong them, the influential will forgive this that wrong them. The powerful will wonder where there power went, the influential will see their power grow fueled by influence.” -Justin Herman
2:53 Leadership thought from Justin
4:43 What does it mean to be made in the image of God
5:50 “We are these unique animals who are open to hearing the word of God and speaking the word of God.” -Andrew Root
7:07 “Be near to God by ministering to others.” -Andrew Root
9:46 Gerald talks about book, “Before You Go” and how it started
11:40 How to get the book for youth workers
12:22 Best way to use the book is small group setting
13:16 Elevator speech of Gerald’s experience
15:03 Middle school ministry is foundational in order to set up high school ministry
17:03 How Gerald’s past equipped him for ministry
18:34 “I was a product of a kid that thought there is no way God could love me or use me and he proved me wrong.” -Gerald Fadayomi
19:04 Leadership insights from Gerald
19:13 “You only see what you seek.”
19:49 “The most important thing we can do as leaders is stay at the feet of Jesus.”- Gerald Fadayomi
21:47 Advice for middle school youth workers and transition
23:14 Relationship with middle school pastor is vital
24:05 Junior high is formative foundational years
25:24 “The foundation that you’re laying in those students is setting every other ministry up in your environment to win.” -Gerald Fadayomi
26:14 Difference between partnering with parents in middle and high school
29:10 Why junior high ministry should be different than high school ministry
31:34 ""Be a student of students.” -Gerald Fadayomi
32:10 ""Communicating for a change” by Lane Jones and Andy Stanley
33:16 Importance of serving for high schoolers
35:31 Leadership 101 with Kurt Johnston
36:45 Truth Work Media

Whose on this episode? 

Justin Herman Sandals Church

Andrew Root

Root on twitter

Root Books

Gerald Fadayomi

Gerald on Instagram

Gerald on Twitter

Before You Go Book

Book 

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Our Controlled Chaos Podcast Partner CIY, Christ in Youth.

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CIY MIX- Summer Camp 

CIY Believe- Weekend Event

Our Sponsors. 

Central Christian College of the Bible, Moberly Missouri (where Justin went to college)

ORANGE- The XP3 Orange Curriculum 

Controlled Chaos Podcast: A junior high ministry podcast for youth workers!

Thank you for tuning in.  The work youth workers do is hard work, thank you! Thank you for taking time to get a little more equipped to do Junior High or Middle School Ministry in your Youth Ministry or Student Ministry at your church.  Keep it up!

Thanks to our partners at CIY!

Find Controlled Chaos Podcast on:
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Intro done by: The amazing hosts of the Rethinking Youth Ministry Podcast

Topics for this episode:   For our BIG milestone episode (25 can you belive it) we got 2 amazing people who have NEVER done a podcast before, our (Kurt and Justin) wives.  

Ministry and Relationships.

How do you live on a ministry salary. 

How to create the right boundaries.

Whose on this episode? 

Justin Herman & Brittany Herman- Sandals Church

Kurt Johnston and Rachel Johnston- Saddleback Church

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Justin Herman

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Our Controlled Chaos Podcast Partner CIY, Christ in Youth.

CIY- Christ in Youth

CIY MIX- Summer Camp 

CIY Believe- Weekend Event

Our Sponsors. 

Central Christian College of the Bible, Moberly Missouri (where Justin went to college)

ORANGE- The XP3 Orange Curriculum 

Controlled Chaos Podcast: A junior high ministry podcast for youth workers!

Thank you for tuning in.  The work youth workers do is hard work, thank you! Thank you for taking time to get a little more equipped to do Junior High or Middle School Ministry in your Youth Ministry or Student Ministry at your church.  Keep it up!

THANKS TO OUR SPONSORS!

Orange XP3 Middle School

Central Christian College of the Bible

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Intro done by: Luke Angus, Trinity Church, Redlands California

Topics for this episode: 

Did we mention we have Patrick Lencioni !!!!!

• Most of our listeners are younger leaders, many leading a team for the very first time. Give them your "#1 DO" and your "#1 DON'T".
• Change is hard.The President of Fuller Seminary said “people don’t fear change they fear loss” So when taking over a role at a church give us some advice about how to implement change roll out an effective change management strategy.
• In your book, 5 Disfunctions of a team, you make the case that TRUST is the very most important quality among a team...so lack of trust is the biggest disfunction. How might you equate that with building trust with young teenagers and their parents in a church setting?
• Define the difference between Mission and Vision?
• In your experience, what would most teams identify as a primary source of discouragement?
• You seem to be a genius at taking big, hard to tackle, leadership issues and boiling them down to easy to grasp and implement ideas and principles. Your books are short, but loaded with truth and pragmatic leadership gold. Give us a few tips on making our message simple and easy for our audience (young teenagers) to grasp.
• What do you do in a situation where you have more practical experience than your boss.  Most Youth workers report to people who have never done youth ministry.
• Sometimes we cast vision, but then struggle to implement it.  How can we be great implementers of vision.

Whose on this episode? 

Justin Herman- Sandals Church

Patrick Lencioni - The Table Group

Connect with Patrick on Twitter

Things mentioned in the episode:

Free Resouce- Postcards for your youth ministry!

Patricks Books 

Patricks Favorite book

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Meet the HOST!

Justin Herman

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Our Controlled Chaos Podcast Partner CIY, Christ in Youth.

CIY- Christ in Youth

CIY MIX- Summer Camp 

CIY Believe- Weekend Event

Thanks to our Sponsors. 

Central Christian College of the Bible, Moberly Missouri (where Justin went to college)

ORANGE- The XP3 Orange Curriculum 

Question or Show ideas? Email Justin at Justin@ControlledChaosPodcast.com

Controlled Chaos Podcast: A junior high ministry podcast for youth workers!

Thank you for tuning in.  The work youth workers do is hard work, thank you! Thank you for taking time to get a little more equipped to do Junior High or Middle School Ministry in your Youth Ministry or Student Ministry at your church.  Keep it up!

THANKS TO OUR SPONSORS!

Orange XP3 Middle School

Central Christian College of the Bible, Moberly Mo

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Topics for this episode:  

Professionalism.

Tattoos

The new book and our goal of 100,000

Whose on this episode? 

Justin Herman- Sandals Church

Kurt Johnston- Saddleback Church

Things mentioned in the episode:

Free Resouce- Postcards for your youth ministry!

Marko

The Youth Cartel

Tattoos

Controlled Chaos BOOK (PRE ORDER NOW)

Be part of #ChaosNation

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Meet the HOST!

Justin Herman

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Our Controlled Chaos Podcast Partner CIY, Christ in Youth.

CIY- Christ in Youth

CIY MIX- Summer Camp 

CIY Believe- Weekend Event

Thanks to our Sponsors. 

Central Christian College of the Bible, Moberly Missouri (where Justin went to college)

ORANGE- The XP3 Orange Curriculum 

Question or Show ideas? Email Justin at Justin@ControlledChaosPodcast.com

Controlled Chaos Podcast: A junior high ministry podcast for youth workers!

Thank you for tuning in.  The work youth workers do is hard work, thank you! Thank you for taking time to get a little more equipped to do Junior High or Middle School Ministry in your Youth Ministry or Student Ministry at your church.  Keep it up!